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		<title>By: Karen J Lloyd</title>
		<link>http://karenjlloyd.com/blog/2008/09/10/back-to-school-wisdom-and-a-few-labeling-tips/comment-page-1/#comment-57340</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen J Lloyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 21:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tom,

Thanks for letting me know the templates and advice were so helpful. I really appreciate it! I always love to hear the different kinds of projects people are using them for.

You&#039;re very welcome. :)
~K</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tom,</p>
<p>Thanks for letting me know the templates and advice were so helpful. I really appreciate it! I always love to hear the different kinds of projects people are using them for.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re very welcome. <img src=\'http://karenjlloyd.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif\' alt=\':)\' class=\'wp-smiley\' /><br />
~K</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 21:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are putting together several public service DVDs for our local cable co. to play for us at schools, hospitals and on our local TV channel. I work with a great bunch of folks here at the fire department  and the local Paramedic program.These videos will cover everything from what the teachers/public should do before we get there, to drowning prevention.etc.Just wanted to say thank you for the free templates and advice ,  I think it will really help us, thanks again, Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are putting together several public service DVDs for our local cable co. to play for us at schools, hospitals and on our local TV channel. I work with a great bunch of folks here at the fire department  and the local Paramedic program.These videos will cover everything from what the teachers/public should do before we get there, to drowning prevention.etc.Just wanted to say thank you for the free templates and advice ,  I think it will really help us, thanks again, Tom</p>
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		<title>By: Karen J Lloyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen J Lloyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed. :)

I think you&#039;ve inspired a future blog post, so thanks!
K</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. <img src=\'http://karenjlloyd.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif\' alt=\':)\' class=\'wp-smiley\' /> </p>
<p>I think you&#8217;ve inspired a future blog post, so thanks!<br />
K</p>
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		<title>By: GirlPie</title>
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		<dc:creator>GirlPie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as we can agree to (wholeheartedly) disagree, thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as we can agree to (wholeheartedly) disagree, thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Karen J Lloyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen J Lloyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 06:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi GirlPie and thanks so much for taking the time. :)

Wow! I hope I do justice with my answer.

I look at this from two point of views. First as a board artist for animation and second, from the live-action side but as an actor (because I have done some...but nothing major).

For my little drawings on the post (that I really just whipped up &lt;strong&gt;for&lt;/strong&gt; the post) I consider &#039;Fido smiling in relief&#039; is not in fact what he is thinking but what he is &lt;strong&gt;doing&lt;/strong&gt;. He&#039;s smiling and it &lt;strong&gt;looks&lt;/strong&gt; like relief. 

I can&#039;t say for sure that he is thinking relief, but I (who is playing director) want him to look that way, so I give that note for the artists who have to work from my board.

If I wrote what he was thinking I might have put  &#039;Ahh, he&#039;s so relieved&#039;. That is telling the story, not what he is &lt;strong&gt;doing&lt;/strong&gt;. It&#039;s a fine line, I know, but I hope it makes some sense.

In animation there are no real actors (besides voice) so &lt;strong&gt;I&lt;/strong&gt; am the actor. An animator who works from my storyboards just needs the facts. He isn&#039;t always looking at the scenes in order or in context so I have to give them some clues of how I want the character to look or act (what he is doing). &quot;Make him looked relieved animator guy!&quot;

Live action directors (and board artists for that matter) see the story in its &lt;strong&gt;full&lt;/strong&gt; context. It&#039;s not just a bunch of little scenes on their own. If the script is written well, we will &lt;strong&gt;see&lt;/strong&gt; the thoughts behind the words and dialogue and find our way of telling that story. 

It&#039;s not the screenwriter&#039;s job (sorry screenwriters!) to direct it. It&#039;s ours. Give us a good story, great characters and tell us what they are &lt;strong&gt;doing&lt;/strong&gt; and we will see that story and make our choices of how to tell it. We don&#039;t need to read inside the characters&#039; heads. If we do, they&#039;re not doing their job effectively.

As an actor I don&#039;t &lt;strong&gt;want&lt;/strong&gt; the writer to tell me to blush (though they could because I view that as a &#039;doing&#039;) or tell me what to think. It&#039;s my choice what to think. The director may choose to point me in a certain direction (because that&#039;s his vision) but I have many choices to make too. I can blush, I can look to the floor, I bring a tear to my eye or make a small smile. It&#039;s my choice and the director&#039;s choice in how we interpret that writing.

So if the screenwriter is telling us all the right &#039;doing&#039; stuff we will see all the &lt;strong&gt;thinking&lt;/strong&gt; stuff. Don&#039;t give it to us. Don&#039;t look like a frustrated director or control freak that doesn&#039;t want his story tampered with. It&#039;ll get tampered with...that&#039;s how it works. And we just hope to do your great words justice.

I hope this took away some of the &#039;insanity&#039; and makes some sense in my long-winded babble. Thanks for the great discussion! :)
K</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi GirlPie and thanks so much for taking the time. <img src=\'http://karenjlloyd.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif\' alt=\':)\' class=\'wp-smiley\' /> </p>
<p>Wow! I hope I do justice with my answer.</p>
<p>I look at this from two point of views. First as a board artist for animation and second, from the live-action side but as an actor (because I have done some&#8230;but nothing major).</p>
<p>For my little drawings on the post (that I really just whipped up <strong>for</strong> the post) I consider &#8216;Fido smiling in relief&#8217; is not in fact what he is thinking but what he is <strong>doing</strong>. He&#8217;s smiling and it <strong>looks</strong> like relief. </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t say for sure that he is thinking relief, but I (who is playing director) want him to look that way, so I give that note for the artists who have to work from my board.</p>
<p>If I wrote what he was thinking I might have put  &#8216;Ahh, he&#8217;s so relieved&#8217;. That is telling the story, not what he is <strong>doing</strong>. It&#8217;s a fine line, I know, but I hope it makes some sense.</p>
<p>In animation there are no real actors (besides voice) so <strong>I</strong> am the actor. An animator who works from my storyboards just needs the facts. He isn&#8217;t always looking at the scenes in order or in context so I have to give them some clues of how I want the character to look or act (what he is doing). &#8220;Make him looked relieved animator guy!&#8221;</p>
<p>Live action directors (and board artists for that matter) see the story in its <strong>full</strong> context. It&#8217;s not just a bunch of little scenes on their own. If the script is written well, we will <strong>see</strong> the thoughts behind the words and dialogue and find our way of telling that story. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not the screenwriter&#8217;s job (sorry screenwriters!) to direct it. It&#8217;s ours. Give us a good story, great characters and tell us what they are <strong>doing</strong> and we will see that story and make our choices of how to tell it. We don&#8217;t need to read inside the characters&#8217; heads. If we do, they&#8217;re not doing their job effectively.</p>
<p>As an actor I don&#8217;t <strong>want</strong> the writer to tell me to blush (though they could because I view that as a &#8216;doing&#8217;) or tell me what to think. It&#8217;s my choice what to think. The director may choose to point me in a certain direction (because that&#8217;s his vision) but I have many choices to make too. I can blush, I can look to the floor, I bring a tear to my eye or make a small smile. It&#8217;s my choice and the director&#8217;s choice in how we interpret that writing.</p>
<p>So if the screenwriter is telling us all the right &#8216;doing&#8217; stuff we will see all the <strong>thinking</strong> stuff. Don&#8217;t give it to us. Don&#8217;t look like a frustrated director or control freak that doesn&#8217;t want his story tampered with. It&#8217;ll get tampered with&#8230;that&#8217;s how it works. And we just hope to do your great words justice.</p>
<p>I hope this took away some of the &#8216;insanity&#8217; and makes some sense in my long-winded babble. Thanks for the great discussion! <img src=\'http://karenjlloyd.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif\' alt=\':)\' class=\'wp-smiley\' /><br />
K</p>
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		<title>By: GirlPie</title>
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		<dc:creator>GirlPie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 01:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just found your site Karen; I, know your world quite well, from the other side, and you really must be a huge help to those coming up in boards.

Can you help me understand a &#039;rule&#039; that keeps popping up (for screenwriters) but that makes no sense to me or any other feature talent I&#039;ve asked about it?  

You echoed it in your bit on  Dialogue (where I understand it in your context) and it often is warned like: show, don&#039;t tell; don&#039;t write what isn&#039;t heard; the audience won&#039;t read the pages so don&#039;t write what the character is thinking; only write what can be shot; etc.  You smartly went on to explain parentheticals, but some gurus say you can&#039;t write that a character is blushing because that must be shown, not told... (If it&#039;s not written, who tells the actor -- &#039;cause it can certainly be acted!)

And yet, in your last bit on the the CU of Fido&#039;s face, you rightly state &quot;Fido smiling in relief.&quot;  That relief is what Fido &quot;is thinking.&quot; And it is necessary (for comprehension, not to mention the cute joke.)

The screenwriter is the first director; if the actor reads that &quot;he&#039;s embarrassed to have to race for the tree&quot;  it&#039;s a very different action/acting than if it read &quot;he races for the tree&quot; and still more distinct from &quot;he races for the tree in anger.&quot;  (Sorry we&#039;re discussing a dog, whose trainer ain&#039;t QUITE that good, but I think you understand me.)

If the actor isn&#039;t given something to play, he can&#039;t play it and the audience can&#039;t see it.  Some great acting happens that way (we can impose our own emotions onto stoic faces, as audiences did in the 40s &amp; 50s), but this rule about &quot;can&#039;t write anything that you can&#039;t film&quot; is insane.  As soon as the actor feels it, the camera can film it, and the audience can see it.  

Can I get your thoughts on this?  Thanks.  (And keep up the good work, I&#039;ve subbed and forwarded to our colleagues.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just found your site Karen; I, know your world quite well, from the other side, and you really must be a huge help to those coming up in boards.</p>
<p>Can you help me understand a &#8216;rule&#8217; that keeps popping up (for screenwriters) but that makes no sense to me or any other feature talent I&#8217;ve asked about it?  </p>
<p>You echoed it in your bit on  Dialogue (where I understand it in your context) and it often is warned like: show, don&#8217;t tell; don&#8217;t write what isn&#8217;t heard; the audience won&#8217;t read the pages so don&#8217;t write what the character is thinking; only write what can be shot; etc.  You smartly went on to explain parentheticals, but some gurus say you can&#8217;t write that a character is blushing because that must be shown, not told&#8230; (If it&#8217;s not written, who tells the actor &#8212; &#8217;cause it can certainly be acted!)</p>
<p>And yet, in your last bit on the the CU of Fido&#8217;s face, you rightly state &#8220;Fido smiling in relief.&#8221;  That relief is what Fido &#8220;is thinking.&#8221; And it is necessary (for comprehension, not to mention the cute joke.)</p>
<p>The screenwriter is the first director; if the actor reads that &#8220;he&#8217;s embarrassed to have to race for the tree&#8221;  it&#8217;s a very different action/acting than if it read &#8220;he races for the tree&#8221; and still more distinct from &#8220;he races for the tree in anger.&#8221;  (Sorry we&#8217;re discussing a dog, whose trainer ain&#8217;t QUITE that good, but I think you understand me.)</p>
<p>If the actor isn&#8217;t given something to play, he can&#8217;t play it and the audience can&#8217;t see it.  Some great acting happens that way (we can impose our own emotions onto stoic faces, as audiences did in the 40s &amp; 50s), but this rule about &#8220;can&#8217;t write anything that you can&#8217;t film&#8221; is insane.  As soon as the actor feels it, the camera can film it, and the audience can see it.  </p>
<p>Can I get your thoughts on this?  Thanks.  (And keep up the good work, I&#8217;ve subbed and forwarded to our colleagues.)</p>
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		<title>By: Karen J Lloyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen J Lloyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 05:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bow to you for being the only person to comment on this boring ass (yet informative...right? RIGHT??) post.

You&#039;re a doll. :)
K
(and Ms. Kane did indeed have some great advice!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bow to you for being the only person to comment on this boring ass (yet informative&#8230;right? RIGHT??) post.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re a doll. <img src=\'http://karenjlloyd.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif\' alt=\':)\' class=\'wp-smiley\' /><br />
K<br />
(and Ms. Kane did indeed have some great advice!)</p>
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		<title>By: Chris.K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris.K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 12:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what? &quot;freaks out&quot; is not universally understood? oh no.. ; ]
read a bit of Ms Kane&#039;s posts, some swell advice. i concur!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what? &#8220;freaks out&#8221; is not universally understood? oh no.. ; ]<br />
read a bit of Ms Kane&#8217;s posts, some swell advice. i concur!</p>
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